The outputs generate a lot of noise.Roland's first groovebox, the MC-303, was never going to be more than a fun little box of tricks for the would-be producer who couldn´t afford the £10,000 you needed to get even a halfway semi-pro setup back in the mid-nineties.Since those last dark days of the 20th century, technology has been advancing beyond most of our wildest dreams, and the MC-808 Sampling Groovebox, Roland´s latest, is a wholly different beast, featuring 32 parts, quality effects, sampling, extensive sequencing features, computer-based editing and even motorised faders. But Roland isn't the only company to stand on the shoulders of giants, and for the price of this latest creation you can have access to an Akai MPC or a pro-spec studio PC, a copy of Ableton Live and a selection of plug-ins - so who sees further in this brave new production world?Main featuresThe MC-808´s main features are eight motorised faders and 16 drum pads (which double as keyboard keys for playing synth patches) lined up horizontally.
There are some transport controls, a couple of knobs (volume and input level), jog wheel and a large number of buttons. From a performance point of view, there is also the famous D-Beam and a large tap tempo button. In case you aren´t familiar with the D-Beam, you basically wave your hand in front of it to control various real-time parameters, the idea being you can be more expressive and fun to watch.If you´re familiar with the Roland MC-909, you´ll know the kind of sound to expect from the 808.
There´s something distinctive about the sound of hardware, and with the same sonic engine inside, it´s no surprise the MC-808 and 909 sound similiar.The unit comes supplied with a healthy number of preset patterns to choose from (256) built from the extensive library of waveforms (622) and drumkits (128), all of which highlight the potential of the unit. The genres covered are all well represented by genuine producers and artists. The sounds range from very useable to a bit dodgy, and with some notable exceptions, they sound very, well, Groovebox-like. From a programming point of view, with a couple of decades of pattern-based sequencing experience under their belts, you´d expect Roland to know how to design a nice working interface and they don´t disappoint.Getting startedIf you´ve used this type of thing before, you´ll be up and running in minutes, and if not then there´s an appropriately named section in the manual (which is excellent, by the way) called ‘Creating your own pattern´. Everything´s clearly labelled, and most of the important functions are a button-press (or shift+button-press) away, such as picking a channel to play or switching from fader bank 1-8 to 9-16.The faders too are very useful, although not quite the giant leap forward in performance that the marketing spiel would have you believe (many of the presets demonstrate the ability to record fader automation within a pattern, but without adding a great deal to the resulting sound).In terms of sampling power, the machine is certainly no slouch (up to 512MB). There are a number of different tricks to be performed with your samples, ranging from conventional multi-sampled patch creation to an auto loop-slicing function (which maps the parts across the pads ready for reprogramming). You can set sample loop points, reverse samples, time-stretch and generally mess with your sampled audio in all the ways you´d commonly want, and all of this is made vastly simpler when used in conjunction with the editing software for PC and Mac (although it would be good if you could input values into the Editor fields on the PC´s keyboard as well as with the virtual sliders on the GUI).So how about the negatives?
Well, one thing we did notice, and checked with a variety of different cables, was that the main outputs seem to throw out an awful lot of noise. When everything´s blasting away it´s not so bad, but in quieter sections it is very noticeable.Another serious pain in the proverbial is the fact that the LCD screen is invisible from almost anything but the narrowest of angles, so you have to be standing right over it to see anything. And then there´s the paltry 4MB of supplied sample RAM, which yields a laughable 23.5 seconds of stereo sampling at the unit´s fixed frequency of 44.1.From a performance point of view at least, we also feel Roland really missed a trick by leaving off some type of turntable-style pitch/tempo fader of the type they put on the MC-909.
They´d probably defend this by pointing out that the MC-808 is designed to be slightly more affordable, but this is why we also think that the MC-808 is a slightly curious addition to this range: it outperforms its older sibling, the MC-909, in the major raw specifications, such as sample memory and polyphony (both double), but is actually the smaller brother in terms of features and controllers. Perhaps we shouldn´t be surprised to see a slightly upgraded version of the MC-909?In the end, though, it´s a question of vibe.
If you start getting embroiled in a Groovebox spec-war you'll always be trumped by the first person to come along with a PC. And the truth is that even with all of the refinements and onscreen editing, even the current crop of super-Groovebox and Groovebox-style units cannot produce complete modern studio tracks of the type we´re used to hearing today - but that´s not what they´re for.ConclusionSo, cards on the table time, should you buy an MC-808? It´s a difficult one. We really enjoyed playing with it, but we have to admit that we find Akai´s range of MPCs much more hands-on, inspirational and fun, albeit not as well equipped from a synth point of view.If you´re a dance DJ and just want something to add to your sets you´ll have a lot of fun with the MC-808, but if you plan to do any serious production, you'll need a computer at some point too. So it starts to look a bit like an expensive novelty, and one which lacks many of the controllers of its older sibling - and if you aren´t interested in hands-on control, then you´re barking up the wrong tree getting a Groovebox anyway.If you´re more into the sampling, groove and beats side of things then try out an Akai MPC first, as for sheer funk this gives the Groovebox a run for its money. And if you're into the synth side of things and want a good selection of controls to tweak them with, take the MC-909 for a spin, although admittedly it´s a lot more cash.Despite this the MC-808 is a solid addition to the range. It doesn´t quite match the control features of the MC-909 or the vibe of Akai´s MPCs, but it´s no doubt going to pick up fans from all genres.
By Nicholas RowlandRoland take their MC concept further with new features, flying faders and computer integration. Let's explore.The semi-official definition of the word Groovebox, at least according to whoever wrote the Wikipedia entry, is 'a self-contained instrument for the production of live, loop-based electronic music, with a high degree of user control facilitating improvisation'.
Credit goes to Roland for inventing the word as a description for the first-ever instrument of this type, the MC303, which they launched back in 1993. Since then 'groovebox' has gone on to become almost a generic term, used to describe various groovesome instruments which fulfil the above criteria. But it's really Roland that have remained at the forefront of refining and developing the concept.
A few years back they seemed to have surpassed even themselves with the magnificently specified — and indeed magnificently priced — MC909 (reviewed in Sound on Sound in March 2003) which for the first time added sampling to the potent Groovebox mix.The MC808 is the latest model in the Groovebox dynasty and as both its price tag and the numerical component of its name might indicate, it represents a scaling back of the MC909's grand designs. But only slightly so, as it still offers a similar armoury of sampling, 16-part multitimbral synth, 16-track sequencer, oodles of effects and plenty of hands-on controls to, er, lay your hands on.
In fact, the progress of technology, coupled with lower production costs, means that although it ships at much less than half the price of its older brother, the new arrival still manages to trump it in a number of areas.Firstly, at 128 notes its synthesis/sampling engine offers double the amount of polyphony of the MC909. Secondly, it can take double the amount of sample RAM: a maximum of 516MB if you count the onboard memory. And thirdly, although it has fewer hardware knobs and switches overall, the eight faders which comprise its principal real-time controls are motorised.
Not only is this good for the 'bling' factor, it means that the positions of the faders always reflect the actual values of the parameters that they happen to be controlling at the time: essential when you're manipulating an instrument like this during a live performance. And for these more sophisticated performances, there's also the ability to hook the MC808 into a V-Link system (Roland's proprietary video control format), to allow the manipulation of images via the MC808's front panel. Other features intended to augment the live experience include a D-Beam controller, Roland's modern take on the Theremin, whereby the wave of a hand can be used to variously control the pitch of a monosynth sound, the tempo of a pattern, or the values of synth parameters such as filter cutoff and resonance.Housed in a plastic chassis with an aluminium front panel, the MC808 is light enough to be easily transportable, but appears robust enough to survive more than a night or two on the tiles. The lion's share of the surface area is taken up with the motorised faders, with sequencer controls to the right and the 16 buttons for individually triggering and programming beats and sounds below.
The faders themselves, which, apart from a value dial and the rotary input and output volume knobs, are the only significant twiddleable bits on the front panel, operate in various modes. For example, they give you control respectively of the volume and pan of the different parts within a pattern or they can be switched to control the synth parameters of individual parts. And it's as you switch between these modes that you begin to appreciate the value of having the faders automatically jump to the correct position.
What's slightly scary is that they seem to rattle quite noisily while doing it, though if you're worried about their long-term robustness you can always switch the motors off.Other aspects of the MC808's design very much reflect the fact that the Groovebox concept is all about live performance, often in less than ideal conditions. For example, all buttons are backlit and a brightly illuminated blue panel shows exactly which matrix of parameters the faders are controlling. Along with the LCD screen (which gives you the detailed information on patch names, parameters and functions), there are three large LED displays which separately show crucial performance data such as tempo and the numbers of the current and next patterns.Round the back you'll find the main stereo outputs plus two extra direct outs. Audio input duties are handled by a couple of quarter-inch jack sockets. These are nominally line level, though the left/mono input can be switched to handle an input from a dynamic mic.
Some traditionalists might like to see a dedicated turntable connection, though this is a slightly moot cause for griping these days, given the growing popularity of CD decks and iPods for DJ'ing. Other connections include MIDI In/Out, headphone socket and a USB port, of which more later.Conceptually, the operation of the MC808 is very easy to get your head around, with dedicated buttons enabling you to switch between its principal operating modes: Song, Pattern, Patch/Sample and System. Some vital statistics to be aware of at this stage include the fact that patterns can consist of one to 999 measures, with up to 16 parts per pattern. A total of 256 patterns and 50 songs can be saved in memory, with the option to use a Compact Flash card (maximum size 1GB) if you need more onboard storage. Like the MC909, sound generation comes courtesy of a highly programmable sample and synthesis system.
There are two sound-set types: rhythm sets which comprise up to 16 drum or percussion sounds, and melodic patches. Melodic patches are made up of up to four 'tones' which in turn can each be made up of two waveforms. The MC808 gives you 896 patches and 128 drum sets, all made up from a set of 622 waveforms that were devised specifically for the instrument.As you might expect from an instrument with the word 'Groovebox' stamped across the top, this translates into a set of presets designed very much for contemporary music making. This means that techno, trance, R&B, drum & bass, ambient dub and indeed emerging underground genres which probably haven't even been given a name yet, are very well catered for. The sounds and patterns have been commissioned from an eclectic bunch of US, European and Japanese young-blood DJs, whose cutting-edge status is probably best indicated by the fact that I've never heard of any of them! (Their biographies are included in the accompanying Sound & Parameter list booklet if you're interested.) Acidic basses, searing leads and waspish pads and thundering drums: the MC808 is not there to take any MOR prisoners, which is something you begin to really appreciate when you run the machine through an amp of decent wattage.Probably one of the main reasons why the MC808 does sound so in-your-face is a healthy complement of onboard effects.
There are two excellent multi-effects processors for insert effects, each offering 47 effects types. The algorithms are wide ranging, with filters, modulation and chorus effects, lo-fi settings, loads of delays, and also distortion and amp simulation. Like the MC909, the MC808 also offers two separate compressors (one at the beginning of the effects chain and a mastering multi-band compressor at the end) and a separate reverb. Along with the programmability of the effects themselves, there is considerable control over the mix of the effects with the parts.Of course, no one just sticks with presets (do they?), so time to move on to DIY programming. The sequencer offers four different programming modes: Real-time, Step, Tempo and something called TR. Tempo allows you to record tempo changes and mutes/unmutes on a separate track. TR mode is akin to programming a drum machine where you press one of the 16 keys to allocate the current sound to the corresponding step in the pattern — like the TR drum machines of old.
Fader movements can also be recorded as part of a pattern, which allows you to build in volume changes, filter sweeps and the like. By using all four modes you can achieve some very precise programming indeed, particularly as you can zoom in and edit individual sounds and their respective parameters at a microscopic level.The creative potential of both pattern recording and playback is further widened by an excellent arpeggiator (which offers 128 programmable styles) and a chord function which allows you to trigger entire chords just by pressing a single pad. There are buttons to allow you to also trigger a separate set of patterns or phrases (known in Roland-speak as RPS) alongside the sounds that make up the pattern proper in playback mode. The software editor offers an alternative means of programming the MC808. The Sample Edit screen here, for example, makes it considerably easier to edit waveform data.As seems to be rapidly becoming standard practice on all hi-tech instruments, a USB port provides the means to hook the MC808 up to a computer for both file transfer and the visual editing of parameters. Bundled with the unit is a CD-ROM containing the necessary USB-MIDI drivers and editing software for both Mac and Windows.The editing software basically provides a user-friendly way to edit the MC808's parameters, in the form of a graphic user interface.
Unlike some software editors for hardware equipment which give you access to additional 'hidden' functions, the MC808's editor simply serves as an alternative interface, meaning that you won't lose out if you're not able to use it with a computer. However, anyone who can should take advantage of this facility, as it's much simpler to perform certain actions — editing sample waveforms, for example — on the computer screen than it is to work within the confines of the MC808's LCD screen.The editor also makes it much easier to perform detailed editing of the synth sounds, as everything is laid out before you and you don't have to scroll through pages and pages of parameters. The down side is that the software-hardware experience is not quite as integrated as it is with some other programs of this nature. It would be great, for instance, to be able to operate the editor as a plug-in within your sequencer, rather than having to deal with it exclusively as a stand-alone program.In its bare-bones state, the MC808 has a rather measly 4MB of onboard sampling memory, enough for 45 seconds of mono sampling (22.5 seconds in stereo). You can expand this up to a maximum of 516MB by making use of the single internal memory slot, which takes RAM in either PC100 or PC133 flavours. A fully loaded MC808 offers a very respectable 97 minutes of sampling time in mono.
Sampling frequency is fixed at 44.1kHz, so you can't, for example, adopt the old-school approach of squeezing more from your RAM by opting for lower frequencies. Sample format is strictly 16-bit too, with the MC808 able to read and write in both WAV and AIFF formats.
The aforementioned USB connection can be used to load and save samples to and from your PC or Mac. The USB connection also acts as a MIDI interface and, in addition, bundled editor/librarian software allows you to program the MC808 from the comfort of your computer chair. For more on that, see the box on the next page.In addition to the standard 'external input' sampling, there are five different sampling modes, including plenty of resampling options: the ability to sample signal from the internal sound generators, with or without internal effects, for example. Editing features include the usual truncate and loop, plus more sophisticated effects such as time-stretch and chop, the latter designed to slice rhythm loops into their component beats. Anything you sample can be instantly assigned to the current pattern, which means that you can build up your own signature loops very quickly.
The only proviso is that somewhere along the line you save everything to the Compact Flash card, as any samples in RAM are lost as soon as the unit is switched off.The Groovebox concept is all about building up tracks by flying loops in and out of the mix while simultaneously manipulating individual sounds and rhythms. The MC808 remains true to its origins simply by being great fun to play with. However, like the MC909, this new machine has plenty of features that suit it to much more detailed pattern and sound creation. Indeed, add a MIDI controller keyboard to it and for certain types of music you wouldn't really need much more to create some really stonking live and studio sets.The motorised faders are far from a gimmick either; they really do add to the experience of 'playing' this instrument live. It's just a shame that the MC808 couldn't have been equipped with a large, hi-res LCD display, similar to that found on the MC909. In practice I found that the MC808 suffers to a certain extent from multifunctionitis: that hi-tech disease of which the main symptom is that far too many combinations of button pushes seem to be required for anything but the most basic of operations.
Getting to grips with its finer points didn't prove easy, and things are not helped by the fact that the manual is rather sketchy in certain areas.The antidote comes in the form of that USB port and the bundled editor program. I would guess that many users are going to take advantage of the MC808's computer connectivity to do all the tweaky stuff back at base, and then use the unit itself as a playback device.To sum up, with its brilliant sounds and impressive facilities the MC808 represents a great addition to the Groovebox lineage, particularly as it gives you the sophistication of the MC909 at a considerably lower price. As loop-based composition continues to extend its influence over all styles of music, the Groovebox concept remains alive and certainly kicking. All contents copyright © SOS Publications Group and/or its licensors, 1985-2019. All rights reserved.The contents of this article are subject to worldwide copyright protection and reproduction in whole or part, whether mechanical or electronic, is expressly forbidden without the prior written consent of the Publishers. Great care has been taken to ensure accuracy in the preparation of this article but neither Sound On Sound Limited nor the publishers can be held responsible for its contents.
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So, dropped of my girlfriend at the trainstaion as she was goind away for the weekend, and on my way home I decided to drop by my local music-store. And so it turned out, they had a big november sale, and inbetween tons of overpriced and unusable gear (MS2000 @ $1300 anyone?) I spot the MC808 they've had for years. And price lowered form 11000 NOK to 3900 NOK (5 NOK = 1$, roughly)This was a chance of a lifetime, as quality gear going that cheap is something I've been waiting for for yearsSo, I went back today and bought it and carried the package home (my back hurts now.) and took it out of the box. What a beautySO, first impressions:Being used to the electribe-series for many years, I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun. Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning. I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.anyone else enjoying their MC808's?Any tips or tricks I need to know ofAnyhow, back to sequencing.
TrondC wrote:so, dropped of my girlfriend at the trainstaion as she was goind away for the weekend, and on my way home I decided to drop by my local music-store. And so it turned out, they had a big november sale, and inbetween tons of overpriced and unusable gear (MS2000 @ $1300 anyone?) I spot the MC808 they've had for years. And price lowered form 11000 NOK to 3900 NOK (5 NOK = 1$, roughly)This was a chance of a lifetime, as quality gear going that cheap is something I've been waiting for for yearsSo, I went back today and bought it and carried the package home (my back hurts now.) and took it out of the box. What a beautySO, first impressions:Being used to the electribe-series for many years, I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun.
Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning. I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.anyone else enjoying their MC808's?Any tips or tricks I need to know ofAnyhow, back to sequencingI bought one last week and are waiting for guitar center to call me when it arrives.
I bought it to use for midi control, roland sounds onboard and the fact its also a sampler. To me its a workstation needing some time, Im pretty much selling my EMX-1 as the roland is intended to replace it. So, have been trying to figure this thing out for a couple hours now, and I must say I find it very hard to use some of the features.for example, the TR-rec feature does not work like I thought it would, that is, like the way you can place a bassdrum on 1,5,9,13 to get a standard 4x4 beat (like on the electribes). The manual is not very helpful on this subject, and the step-recording just seems to create drum rolls.it's really frustrating, I wish it was easier to use, as grooveboxes should be. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the simplicity of the electribes.Actually, I KNOW the 808 will be my piece of choice, but right now, It's just annoyingly hard to figure.
TrondC wrote:I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun. Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning. I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.so, have been trying to figure this thing out for a couple hours now, and I must say I find it very hard to use some of the features.for example, the TR-rec feature does not work like I thought it would, that is, like the way you can place a bassdrum on 1,5,9,13 to get a standard 4x4 beat (like on the electribes). The manual is not very helpful on this subject, and the step-recording just seems to create drum rolls.it's really frustrating, I wish it was easier to use, as grooveboxes should be. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the simplicity of the electribes.Actually, I KNOW the 808 will be my piece of choice, but right now, It's just annoyingly hard to figure.welcome to the 'wonderful' world that is newer Roland gear. Well, from the youtube demos and from what I've heard, these babies should be both easy to use and loaded with good sounds.
I hope someone can explain to me what I'm doing wrong since I can't figure out the sequencer very much. The real-time sequencer is cool, but for some types of music, static, quantized drums is a must, and I'm not good enough to record everything real-time yet.Another thing I'd love to know: can it accept any CompactFlash card? If so, theese cards seem to offer a h.l lot more storage space that the SmartMedia cards that my ESX uses. The TR-REC function is fairly easy. By default it begins recording only on the first measure (even though it will play back all of them), so after you fill in all the keys you want for measure one, you then press Forward in the sequencer section to jump to the next measure of the pattern.
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You can also use the Scale button for inputing in notes faster than the default 16 beats a measure.As for all of the unusable preset sounds, it's best to just use the PC editor to dig through default waveforms and save them as individual sounds. If not, there's a Roland Juno G patch converter and a handful of free patches on the Roland Clan site. So, the TR-rec works a little different than I thought. Is it not just like the electribe-sequencer? I mean, if I understand this correct, I have to make a sequence by inserting one step at a time? If so, it seems a simple sequence will require a lot of time invested?
There must be something I didn't get. As far a s I knew, the 808 would be able to record just like the electibes (and in real-time, which is a real treatalso, any sites you guys reccomend to get other samples? I'd like to get tons of breakbeats, amen-breaks etc, some better bass sounds 606 Cr78 Dr110 sounds etc.Also, as I have no interface for my computer (never used it with my music), but would I theoretically import samples from the internet onto my MC808, and then transfer them via MIDI (or other means) to my ESX?It's funny, I've been doing music for a couple of years now, but this machine makes me feel like a beginner again:p. The MC808 has three styles of recording:1) realtime (records key taps in the same sequence/timing with which you play them, more or less )2) Step recording (each key tap advances the sequencer by a certain amount, depending upon note length)3) TR-REC, which is exactly like the electribe / x0X style f sequencing, and I think the one you are looking for.Hopefully you have manual, if not, i'd recommend downloading it and reading it, it will answer all your questions, although it is not easy to understand.In general, the MC-808 is not real-time. You can either play or record patterns.
What I have done is deactivated the metronome (for TR-REC anyway) and if you always record, you basically have the tribe series of functionality-for the most part.You definitely should try connecting the MC808 to your computer via the included USB cable, as that is the only way to make new patches, and the only way to tweak the effects.Don't forget the MC808 has audio in, which you can use to apply effects to your other synths. So you could, in theory, use the MC808 as a drum machine, sampler, and sequencer, then pipe in the audio outs of your synths into your mc808 for additional reverb / compression treatment, for example.Save often! It crashes ALL the time.
All in all its a powerful, if slightly strange, beast. I really hated it at first, but I have come to appreciate the functionality it does provide, instead of wishing that it had been done differently.Here is how I have my tracks layed out-not saying its the best or greatest, but typically:tracks 1-4: outboard midi synths-don't forget to turn off the various tones, unless you want to layer the mc808 patch with your outboard sound. Also, watch out for program change transmissions.tracks 5-6: internal patches for XYZ (sample hits, strings etc)Tracks 7-9: fills (snare fill, highat fill, handclap 2)Tracks 10-16: drum (kick, closed highhat, snare1, snare2, handclap, open highhat, cymbal crash)Then, for your individual tracks, don't forget to go the part param and setup reverb levels as appropriate. Then, when you play, mute individual tracks / use the tone controls etc to get a more live feel.Overall, the MC808 isn't as horrible as I once thought. It is a very capable midi sequencer + sampler + preset box, and when viewed in that light, it does its job admirably!If you are just starting out, you might try playing around with the rps functionality, and then copying/pasting patterns into new songs, to get a feel for it.
I've been enjoying my new MC 808 for about a month now, and I really like the unit. It has a very good sequencer, tons of polyphony, can store 100 times more samples than my ESX (when maxed out.) and the onboard drum sounds and some of the other sounds are very good.But. TrondC wrote:But. It's a bit frustrating to use at times, especially it bugs me that there's only a 'undo' button for when you do something wrong (or I can delete the entire part, which usually consists of a lot of different drum sounds for drums, and thus very annoying), and there are a couple of things I can't seem to find answers to anywhere in the manual (which is 50% helpful and 50% confusing).The best advice I can give about that at this time is to be extra careful wiht your programming, its also very difficult to shorten the duration, I think its an OS problem personally. TrondC wrote:So, first question:When using the TR-rec, I can't find any way to edit beyond the first 16 steps, meaning I can't use the TR-rec for other than very short loops, which I am trying to avoid since I can record reeeeally long patterns and thus way more interesting drums.
On my simple but beloved electibes, this is a breeze, but on this machine, that is supposed to be in a whole other league than the tribes, I just can't figure out how to do this. The manual says nothing helpful.press.
TrondC wrote:moving to 2nd:When I found that I could record patterns that were longer than 4x16 steps, I was thrilled as this is a big step forward from the electribes. But, I had a 4x16 pattern going with some really nice drums.
Then I decided to try and make it a 8x16 pattern, but after I figured that the tr-rec fuction did not work like on the electribes, I decided to just delete the last half of the newly created pattern. But after I did, I couldn't get the pattern back to 4x16 again, so now I have a pattern with some really nice stuff going on on the first 64 measures, then dead silence for 64 measures.
And I can't find a way to turn it back to a 4x16 pattern again (Does this make any sense? A bit hard to explain what I mean here.)The shorten duratoin function evades me too =( I think its not working on the current OS. TrondC wrote:Oh, and why can't I delete pactory preset samples to make room for my own? I mean, I couldn't even sample a 4 second drum loop before the MC was full. Of cource I'm getting the 512MB ram upgrade and a CF card, but until I can find one that meets with the specs needed (which proved to be quite hard here in Norway), but until I can get the memory upgraded, I can't load it with new samples because the factory samples all are protected and can't be deleted.Turn off system protection, hook it up to a computer using the USB instructions on boook page 131 my book code is 04126212 dated april 1, 2006 It seems to need midi in and out connected as well. TrondC wrote:Any other 808 users troubled with stuff like this?
It was part a present from my Girlfriend, so I won't get rid of it no matter what, I just want to enjoy it without being annoyed at small things every time I use it.any thoughts or tips highly appreciatedHang onto it, also when you start TR rec curser over a few times and set your rec measure length to the duration you want, I always set mine to want cause I work on it one part at a time =)Hope my imput is helpful. I can transpose instructions from my book if I need to.However I am a bit frustrated with the MC-808 as I'm used to using my EMX-1 which I do regret selling terribly, however the polyphonic control and the ability to use my own samples and control other instruments made it very valuable. I like using my MC-808 and Jp-8080 together, if you are using a channel to control another instrument and don't want the MC-808 to sound simultaneously set your mode to 'pattern' shift + pad 13 and edit your patten parameter and curser over to output assign, set your out put to dir assuming that your using main and master outs without direct being hooked up I use this setup as I use some instrument sand drums on the 808 while using my JP-8080's multitimbral controls. This cuts some flexibility out but I like my 808's effects and use my own reverb my boss RV-5 or the behringer mixers effects after everything anywaysMy owners manual codes found on the back of the book on the lower right hand corner of the owners manual are 04126212 06-4-2N and its dated april 1, 2006.
To my knowledge all MC-808s being produced carry this owners manual so I will post with page numbers from it. TrondC wrote:thanx a lot But I mean I want to control the amount of reverb/delay etc rather than just select from a list of pre-programmed effects., as far as I can see, this can't be done on the 808, and if it can't be done using the editor, then I don't know what to do. I don't have much outboard, and the little I have are mostly mono-pedals.is mono so terrible? Theres always a way around things, but effects areny something I take advantage of on my roland, just compress, master it, send to mixer and let the mixer mix in my effects =).
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TrondC wrote:well, thing is, I guess I'm just spiled with the electribes and the fact that editing almost any parameter is just a turn of a knob, and I've always used the onboard effects, and I assumed the 808 would have atleast as good an effect section as the tribes. I'm installing the software again today, and maybe the editor will work properly this timebtw, thanx for your help, it is really appreciatedoh believe me, I had a EMX-1 and I regret letting it go.
So, dropped of my girlfriend at the trainstaion as she was goind away for the weekend, and on my way home I decided to drop by my local music-store. And so it turned out, they had a big november sale, and inbetween tons of overpriced and unusable gear (MS2000 @ $1300 anyone?) I spot the MC808 they've had for years.
And price lowered form 11000 NOK to 3900 NOK (5 NOK = 1$, roughly)This was a chance of a lifetime, as quality gear going that cheap is something I've been waiting for for yearsSo, I went back today and bought it and carried the package home (my back hurts now.) and took it out of the box. What a beautySO, first impressions:Being used to the electribe-series for many years, I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun. Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning.
I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.anyone else enjoying their MC808's?Any tips or tricks I need to know ofAnyhow, back to sequencing. TrondC wrote:so, dropped of my girlfriend at the trainstaion as she was goind away for the weekend, and on my way home I decided to drop by my local music-store. And so it turned out, they had a big november sale, and inbetween tons of overpriced and unusable gear (MS2000 @ $1300 anyone?) I spot the MC808 they've had for years. And price lowered form 11000 NOK to 3900 NOK (5 NOK = 1$, roughly)This was a chance of a lifetime, as quality gear going that cheap is something I've been waiting for for yearsSo, I went back today and bought it and carried the package home (my back hurts now.) and took it out of the box.
Roland Mc 808 Editor Software Pc
What a beautySO, first impressions:Being used to the electribe-series for many years, I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun. Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning. I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.anyone else enjoying their MC808's?Any tips or tricks I need to know ofAnyhow, back to sequencingI bought one last week and are waiting for guitar center to call me when it arrives. I bought it to use for midi control, roland sounds onboard and the fact its also a sampler. To me its a workstation needing some time, Im pretty much selling my EMX-1 as the roland is intended to replace it. So, have been trying to figure this thing out for a couple hours now, and I must say I find it very hard to use some of the features.for example, the TR-rec feature does not work like I thought it would, that is, like the way you can place a bassdrum on 1,5,9,13 to get a standard 4x4 beat (like on the electribes).
Roland Mc 808
The manual is not very helpful on this subject, and the step-recording just seems to create drum rolls.it's really frustrating, I wish it was easier to use, as grooveboxes should be. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the simplicity of the electribes.Actually, I KNOW the 808 will be my piece of choice, but right now, It's just annoyingly hard to figure. TrondC wrote:I found the MC to be a little confuing at times, but still very much fun. Being able to sequence drums in a way that sound a thousand times more real than on my esx due to the much higher resolution on the MC was really cool.The internal sounds are also a lot better than the ESX could offer,even tho I think there are just too many unusable sounds.actually, creating a drum and bassline was a lot easier on the ESX, but maybe that's just a matter of learning. I've spent maybe 3 hours with the machine, and I am overall pretty sure this thing will be the centerpiece of my little studio.so, have been trying to figure this thing out for a couple hours now, and I must say I find it very hard to use some of the features.for example, the TR-rec feature does not work like I thought it would, that is, like the way you can place a bassdrum on 1,5,9,13 to get a standard 4x4 beat (like on the electribes).
The manual is not very helpful on this subject, and the step-recording just seems to create drum rolls.it's really frustrating, I wish it was easier to use, as grooveboxes should be. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the simplicity of the electribes.Actually, I KNOW the 808 will be my piece of choice, but right now, It's just annoyingly hard to figure.welcome to the 'wonderful' world that is newer Roland gear. Well, from the youtube demos and from what I've heard, these babies should be both easy to use and loaded with good sounds. I hope someone can explain to me what I'm doing wrong since I can't figure out the sequencer very much. The real-time sequencer is cool, but for some types of music, static, quantized drums is a must, and I'm not good enough to record everything real-time yet.Another thing I'd love to know: can it accept any CompactFlash card?
If so, theese cards seem to offer a h.l lot more storage space that the SmartMedia cards that my ESX uses. The TR-REC function is fairly easy. By default it begins recording only on the first measure (even though it will play back all of them), so after you fill in all the keys you want for measure one, you then press Forward in the sequencer section to jump to the next measure of the pattern. You can also use the Scale button for inputing in notes faster than the default 16 beats a measure.As for all of the unusable preset sounds, it's best to just use the PC editor to dig through default waveforms and save them as individual sounds. If not, there's a Roland Juno G patch converter and a handful of free patches on the Roland Clan site. So, the TR-rec works a little different than I thought.
Is it not just like the electribe-sequencer? I mean, if I understand this correct, I have to make a sequence by inserting one step at a time? If so, it seems a simple sequence will require a lot of time invested? There must be something I didn't get. As far a s I knew, the 808 would be able to record just like the electibes (and in real-time, which is a real treatalso, any sites you guys reccomend to get other samples? I'd like to get tons of breakbeats, amen-breaks etc, some better bass sounds 606 Cr78 Dr110 sounds etc.Also, as I have no interface for my computer (never used it with my music), but would I theoretically import samples from the internet onto my MC808, and then transfer them via MIDI (or other means) to my ESX?It's funny, I've been doing music for a couple of years now, but this machine makes me feel like a beginner again:p.
The MC808 has three styles of recording:1) realtime (records key taps in the same sequence/timing with which you play them, more or less )2) Step recording (each key tap advances the sequencer by a certain amount, depending upon note length)3) TR-REC, which is exactly like the electribe / x0X style f sequencing, and I think the one you are looking for.Hopefully you have manual, if not, i'd recommend downloading it and reading it, it will answer all your questions, although it is not easy to understand.In general, the MC-808 is not real-time. You can either play or record patterns. What I have done is deactivated the metronome (for TR-REC anyway) and if you always record, you basically have the tribe series of functionality-for the most part.You definitely should try connecting the MC808 to your computer via the included USB cable, as that is the only way to make new patches, and the only way to tweak the effects.Don't forget the MC808 has audio in, which you can use to apply effects to your other synths.
So you could, in theory, use the MC808 as a drum machine, sampler, and sequencer, then pipe in the audio outs of your synths into your mc808 for additional reverb / compression treatment, for example.Save often! It crashes ALL the time. All in all its a powerful, if slightly strange, beast.
I really hated it at first, but I have come to appreciate the functionality it does provide, instead of wishing that it had been done differently.Here is how I have my tracks layed out-not saying its the best or greatest, but typically:tracks 1-4: outboard midi synths-don't forget to turn off the various tones, unless you want to layer the mc808 patch with your outboard sound. Also, watch out for program change transmissions.tracks 5-6: internal patches for XYZ (sample hits, strings etc)Tracks 7-9: fills (snare fill, highat fill, handclap 2)Tracks 10-16: drum (kick, closed highhat, snare1, snare2, handclap, open highhat, cymbal crash)Then, for your individual tracks, don't forget to go the part param and setup reverb levels as appropriate. Then, when you play, mute individual tracks / use the tone controls etc to get a more live feel.Overall, the MC808 isn't as horrible as I once thought. It is a very capable midi sequencer + sampler + preset box, and when viewed in that light, it does its job admirably!If you are just starting out, you might try playing around with the rps functionality, and then copying/pasting patterns into new songs, to get a feel for it.
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